I should say that to accomplish this induced nonuniform collapse requires that a "human-like" intelligence must exist in all parts of the universe and that this "being" must have a working knowledge of the requirements of the Omega Point collapse.
Naturally, according to multi-world theory, in some world-lines this human-like intelligence does not exist in all parts of the universe. It seems to be impossible for it or they to exist in ours.
Although Frank J. Tipler theorizes that there could be a full, unifying universal God of all world-lines, as long as this God exists at the end of time, because General relativity predicts that the world lines of all events will eventually converge to the same point. If this point is the result of a nonuniform collapse, it is a singularity in space-time that marks the end of the multiverse. Tipler calls this the Omega Point and theorizes that it contains all of the information and all of the algorithms of all of the events of all time. The Omega Point is thus, he says, a person, eternal, omniscient, and due to the reversibility of the Einstein field equations, omnipresent, and if one accepts that this 'person' contains all of the algorithms of all natural processes, omnipotent. Tippler does not identify the Omega Point as the Judeo-Christian God, but does refer to it with a gender in a specific personal pronoun. Consciousness is implicit in this theory, as it is in many interpretations of QM.
Mabuse could be right, you are talking about multiple different entities. A hyper-advanced alien intelligence that has the ability to create worlds is theoretically different from an omnipresent spiritual being that created everything. You have to define what God is for the argument to mean anything. In terms of QM, you may define God as a lifeform that processes information at all space-time coordinates along its word-line all the way across the universe to the relativistic c-point boundary.
But QM multi-world theory covers any and all possible variations. In some universes these various Gods exist, in others they do not: the theory requires that in some world-lines there is no God. Multi-world theory also requires that these entities are separate and can not cross the world-line boundaries.
>>'US Armed Forces could go anywhere and do anything in Iraq. They could seal off areas completely'
quite true, but they have to get the materiel in via conventional means. They don't have transporter technology yet. Large movements of WMDs would be rather obvious to observers.
>>'those who claim a conspiracy for 9/11 are definitely *not* considering the logistics needed to blow up the WTC buildings and keep it quiet.'
Piffle. The military and intelligence communities are designed to keep things quiet, by the mechanism of compartmentalisation. A brief study of the history of intelligence operations shows quite baroque and nasty operations by large groups of people being kept successfully secret for long lengths of time. These include massive projects such as the building of large scale installations in classified locations requiring heavy equipment and hundreds of engineers, technology, vehicles and scurrilous activities in other countries. Once again, for people actually involved in an operation like the assassination of JFK or an Operation Northwoods-style 9/11, the fear of death is a very efficient way to make people shut up. As is the controlled use of disinformation in the media to ridicule actual research by members of the public.
Be that as it may, I'm merely talking hypothetically, obviously.
The one question I genuinely would like answered, is the advance knowledge of the attacks shown by the high volume of put-option purchases and other trading, on the markets prior to the events. I've read that it would be possible to track down who was making these transactions, but no investigations have taken place. I dare say all this is a coincidence as well, but they do seem to pile up around 9/11. The official commission's explanation for these was vague, although they did say it wasn't the terrorists.
'Drawing inferences along the lines of "it hasn't happened before so it can't happen now" are magical thinking.'
I don't believe I made an inference. Said that the event was unique. Inferences are made by others. Given that there are so many unknowns about the physics, it seems odd that many people are keen to brush it all aside without asking too many questions. All the structural steel was sold off to China and never examined, the rubble buried in a landfill. One would have thought that studying the steel & other remains would have been valuable to future engineering projects, given the historically unique nature of the collapses. Same goes for the aircraft remains.
>>'didn't bother to talk to any structural engineers.'
I have read articles by engineers stating their skepticism of the steel being weakened in that way. Then again, I've read others who agree with the accepted reports. It has to be pointed out, though, that no other buildings of that type have _ever_ collapsed in that way, even after fires that raged for days. Not a single one. The WTC was designed to survive the impact of airliners similar to those that struck it. So much failure and incompetence in almost every aspect of the things we're taught are solid and unshakeable almost undermines ones' world view. Never go up in a skyscraper or fly in a jet again, if you believe all that?
>>'why did this conspiracy stop at 9/11? Why didn't it go on to show us some nice WMDs in Iraq? (A much, easier thing to pull off than 9/11). Why didn't it mount some faux terrorist attacks in Paris to get the French onside?'
It _wouldn't_ have been easier to plant WMD in Iraq. Consider the logistics of it. I imagine the Bush administration tried to, in fact. Part of it might have been that "they" actually thought there was some there. But more likely, as I heard, the Russians were watching and prevented them moving in any shipments, don't count out the Russians involvement in Mid East affairs, they have irons in that fire. Iraq was swarming with foreign intelligence, naturally. Also, think about Plame -- why did the Cheney administration go out of their way to do something so foolish as to shut her down - something that was highly illegal and dangerous? Couldn't it have something to do with her activities as part of a group actively engaged in preventing the movements of WMDs? I hypothesise that her group actually exposed something going on along those lines, hence the payback. But pure speculation, naturally.
As for France etc, it's about control. The hypothetical conspiracists controlled the situation in the US, via moles in the Pentagon (look up a man named Dov Zacheim on Wikipedia, and his particular specialities, why not? I guarantee a paranoid thrill); the covering "exercises" that were taking place that very morning (convenient!) to bamboozle NORAD; media control, etc. You can't control things like that in France or Germany. The British are more accomodating on those sorts of things.
(On the issue of the exercises on 9/11, how stupid does one have to be to believe the most powerful, most highly funded defense network in the world could be so bloody useless for so long as all this is happening? When the golfer Payne Stewart's plane went unresponsive they had jets on it in less than 14 minutes. It was something like an hour on 9/11. I mean, come on, that's ridiculous.)
I don't know if I can accept the far-reaching conspiracy actually happened, but it was certainly do-able theoretically. Eminently. Certainly we have not been told the truth of what went on. As for keeping it quiet -- well, the military and intelligence communities are heavily compartmentalised, plus anyone in the know is scared silent, aren't they? If your bosses can annihilate huge buildings and thousands of people, they can easily kill _you_. Fear of death is a powerful motivator.
Don't think the US government hasn't considered such things before, check out operation Northwoods while you read up on Zakheim.
Who benefits from all this? Well, that I leave to others to put in plain language. It's not America.
"The amazing incompetent government..."
The 'incompetent government' meme is the latest one trotted out by those trying to discredit the 'conspiracy' idea, but it is a strawman argument. Because the conspiracy may not have been run by people within the American government itself.
It coudl have been someone else, oh, I don't know, say, the Israeli government, using people they control in certain positions in the US government. Hypothetically.
It's almost exactly the same as firefox. Go into manage bookmarks > file > export. tada.
Export it to your desktop, back that file up (smart thing to do). Then use firefoxes import function.
It seems to me that makeup can be removed and re-applied as desired.
So the answer is: sometimes wear makeup, sometimes not.
Why do humans always stick to just one routine? Vary it up a bit.
Illuminatus! Trilogy is rather all-over-the-place and is not a very good introduction to Wilson, IMHO. Actually I think the Schroedinger's Cat trilogy is a better intro. Illuminatus! is a bit of a slog for some people.
Aw, they don't list my favorite.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 16 years ago
In "Quantum mechanics and Tomb Raider"
I should say that to accomplish this induced nonuniform collapse requires that a "human-like" intelligence must exist in all parts of the universe and that this "being" must have a working knowledge of the requirements of the Omega Point collapse. Naturally, according to multi-world theory, in some world-lines this human-like intelligence does not exist in all parts of the universe. It seems to be impossible for it or they to exist in ours.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 16 years ago
Although Frank J. Tipler theorizes that there could be a full, unifying universal God of all world-lines, as long as this God exists at the end of time, because General relativity predicts that the world lines of all events will eventually converge to the same point. If this point is the result of a nonuniform collapse, it is a singularity in space-time that marks the end of the multiverse. Tipler calls this the Omega Point and theorizes that it contains all of the information and all of the algorithms of all of the events of all time. The Omega Point is thus, he says, a person, eternal, omniscient, and due to the reversibility of the Einstein field equations, omnipresent, and if one accepts that this 'person' contains all of the algorithms of all natural processes, omnipotent. Tippler does not identify the Omega Point as the Judeo-Christian God, but does refer to it with a gender in a specific personal pronoun. Consciousness is implicit in this theory, as it is in many interpretations of QM.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 16 years ago
Mabuse could be right, you are talking about multiple different entities. A hyper-advanced alien intelligence that has the ability to create worlds is theoretically different from an omnipresent spiritual being that created everything. You have to define what God is for the argument to mean anything. In terms of QM, you may define God as a lifeform that processes information at all space-time coordinates along its word-line all the way across the universe to the relativistic c-point boundary. But QM multi-world theory covers any and all possible variations. In some universes these various Gods exist, in others they do not: the theory requires that in some world-lines there is no God. Multi-world theory also requires that these entities are separate and can not cross the world-line boundaries.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 16 years ago
In "Cops Writing Cops"
Run DMC
posted by At Swim Two Birds 17 years ago
In "911 Cover Up Video"
>>'US Armed Forces could go anywhere and do anything in Iraq. They could seal off areas completely' quite true, but they have to get the materiel in via conventional means. They don't have transporter technology yet. Large movements of WMDs would be rather obvious to observers. >>'those who claim a conspiracy for 9/11 are definitely *not* considering the logistics needed to blow up the WTC buildings and keep it quiet.' Piffle. The military and intelligence communities are designed to keep things quiet, by the mechanism of compartmentalisation. A brief study of the history of intelligence operations shows quite baroque and nasty operations by large groups of people being kept successfully secret for long lengths of time. These include massive projects such as the building of large scale installations in classified locations requiring heavy equipment and hundreds of engineers, technology, vehicles and scurrilous activities in other countries. Once again, for people actually involved in an operation like the assassination of JFK or an Operation Northwoods-style 9/11, the fear of death is a very efficient way to make people shut up. As is the controlled use of disinformation in the media to ridicule actual research by members of the public. Be that as it may, I'm merely talking hypothetically, obviously. The one question I genuinely would like answered, is the advance knowledge of the attacks shown by the high volume of put-option purchases and other trading, on the markets prior to the events. I've read that it would be possible to track down who was making these transactions, but no investigations have taken place. I dare say all this is a coincidence as well, but they do seem to pile up around 9/11. The official commission's explanation for these was vague, although they did say it wasn't the terrorists. 'Drawing inferences along the lines of "it hasn't happened before so it can't happen now" are magical thinking.' I don't believe I made an inference. Said that the event was unique. Inferences are made by others. Given that there are so many unknowns about the physics, it seems odd that many people are keen to brush it all aside without asking too many questions. All the structural steel was sold off to China and never examined, the rubble buried in a landfill. One would have thought that studying the steel & other remains would have been valuable to future engineering projects, given the historically unique nature of the collapses. Same goes for the aircraft remains.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
spelling correction: Zakheim.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
>>'didn't bother to talk to any structural engineers.' I have read articles by engineers stating their skepticism of the steel being weakened in that way. Then again, I've read others who agree with the accepted reports. It has to be pointed out, though, that no other buildings of that type have _ever_ collapsed in that way, even after fires that raged for days. Not a single one. The WTC was designed to survive the impact of airliners similar to those that struck it. So much failure and incompetence in almost every aspect of the things we're taught are solid and unshakeable almost undermines ones' world view. Never go up in a skyscraper or fly in a jet again, if you believe all that?
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
>>'why did this conspiracy stop at 9/11? Why didn't it go on to show us some nice WMDs in Iraq? (A much, easier thing to pull off than 9/11). Why didn't it mount some faux terrorist attacks in Paris to get the French onside?' It _wouldn't_ have been easier to plant WMD in Iraq. Consider the logistics of it. I imagine the Bush administration tried to, in fact. Part of it might have been that "they" actually thought there was some there. But more likely, as I heard, the Russians were watching and prevented them moving in any shipments, don't count out the Russians involvement in Mid East affairs, they have irons in that fire. Iraq was swarming with foreign intelligence, naturally. Also, think about Plame -- why did the Cheney administration go out of their way to do something so foolish as to shut her down - something that was highly illegal and dangerous? Couldn't it have something to do with her activities as part of a group actively engaged in preventing the movements of WMDs? I hypothesise that her group actually exposed something going on along those lines, hence the payback. But pure speculation, naturally. As for France etc, it's about control. The hypothetical conspiracists controlled the situation in the US, via moles in the Pentagon (look up a man named Dov Zacheim on Wikipedia, and his particular specialities, why not? I guarantee a paranoid thrill); the covering "exercises" that were taking place that very morning (convenient!) to bamboozle NORAD; media control, etc. You can't control things like that in France or Germany. The British are more accomodating on those sorts of things. (On the issue of the exercises on 9/11, how stupid does one have to be to believe the most powerful, most highly funded defense network in the world could be so bloody useless for so long as all this is happening? When the golfer Payne Stewart's plane went unresponsive they had jets on it in less than 14 minutes. It was something like an hour on 9/11. I mean, come on, that's ridiculous.) I don't know if I can accept the far-reaching conspiracy actually happened, but it was certainly do-able theoretically. Eminently. Certainly we have not been told the truth of what went on. As for keeping it quiet -- well, the military and intelligence communities are heavily compartmentalised, plus anyone in the know is scared silent, aren't they? If your bosses can annihilate huge buildings and thousands of people, they can easily kill _you_. Fear of death is a powerful motivator. Don't think the US government hasn't considered such things before, check out operation Northwoods while you read up on Zakheim. Who benefits from all this? Well, that I leave to others to put in plain language. It's not America.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
In "Curious George: Is Mark Lanegan A Horrible Performer Live"
Is petebest the same as quidnunc?
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
In "911 Cover Up Video"
"The amazing incompetent government..." The 'incompetent government' meme is the latest one trotted out by those trying to discredit the 'conspiracy' idea, but it is a strawman argument. Because the conspiracy may not have been run by people within the American government itself. It coudl have been someone else, oh, I don't know, say, the Israeli government, using people they control in certain positions in the US government. Hypothetically.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
In "That's an odd..........toy."
The Jews have sold out? Theres a surprise.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
In "Snakes. On a plane."
I sent the guy five bucks because nowhere can I find any information saying that the spine thing can be caught from the internet.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
This guy is too stupid to boil an egg.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
In "The Art of the Shiv"
I could make a helicopter with the materials within arms reach as I write this.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
In "Curious George: Exporting Opera Bookmarks!"
It's almost exactly the same as firefox. Go into manage bookmarks > file > export. tada. Export it to your desktop, back that file up (smart thing to do). Then use firefoxes import function.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
In "Photo Essay: The Evolution of the Bikini"
I thought it started with the Romans?
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
In "Snakes. On a plane."
An accident with a contraceptive and a time machine.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
In ""
It seems to me that makeup can be removed and re-applied as desired. So the answer is: sometimes wear makeup, sometimes not. Why do humans always stick to just one routine? Vary it up a bit.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
In "Robert Anton Wilson"
Illuminatus! Trilogy is rather all-over-the-place and is not a very good introduction to Wilson, IMHO. Actually I think the Schroedinger's Cat trilogy is a better intro. Illuminatus! is a bit of a slog for some people.
posted by At Swim Two Birds 18 years ago
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